- Currents
- Season 1
- Episode 69
Are We Living In A Simulation?
Released on 12/15/2021
[Narrator] More than two decades after the original,
a new Matrix movie is here
and its vision of humanity trapped inside a simulation
is still relevant given the path for AI and VR
that futurists like Nick Bostrom predict.
You would have computers powerful enough
that you could generate millions and millions
of runs off all of human history.
Even if just a tiny fraction of these
technologically mature civilization's resources
were used for this purpose,
the vast majority of minds like ours
would be living in simulated worlds
rather than in the original histories.
[Narrator] 20 Years ago,
Professor Bostrom published the first draft
of his groundbreaking simulation argument, which asks,
are you living in a computer simulation?
[Neo] Right now we're inside of a computer program?
Is it really so hard to believe?
[Narrator] Not for some prominent scientists
and tech stars apparently.
So we rewatched The Matrix with Professor Bostrom,
as he explained his simulation hypothesis.
Bostrom's simulation argument doesn't resolve the issue
but it makes the case that as computing power
and progress in artificial intelligence grows,
one of the following statements must be true.
One, we will go extinct before we enter a post-human phase.
In other words, we die out before
becoming technically capable
of creating computer simulations with conscious minds in it.
Or two, we don't go extinct
but we'll be so evolved
that we won't be interested in running
these types of simulations, or three.
Is the simulation hypothesis,
that we are living in a computer simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
I thought especially the first Matrix movie
was pretty cool.
If the simulation argument is sound,
it would seem to be quite a revelation
about where we fit in,
into the larger structure of reality.
[Narrator] Throughout history,
from the Buddhist concept of Dharma to the Aztecs belief
that our world was a painting by the Gods,
to Plato's allegory of the cave,
we've always toyed with this idea of reality as an illusion,
as a shadow of what is truly real
I mean, people have been thinking since ancient times
about the question of how can we be sure
that we are not dreaming
or that there is not like a demon
deluding us into believing that there is an external world.
[Narrator] But it wasn't until the Wachowski's
Matrix film dropped in 1999,
that the possibility of reality run by computers
was burned into the popular imagination.
If the simulation hypothesis is true,
I don't think the best way to characterize things
would be by saying that the world that we perceive
is not real, I would rather put it it's real
but it's reality consists of being simulated in a computer.
[Narrator] In this scene from The Matrix,
viewers are shown a horrific basement or base reality.
The artificial intelligence we created
turned us into a power source to run their computers.
The matrix is a computer generated dreamworld,
built to keep us under control,
in order to change the human being into this.
[Narrator] Is this a likely outcome?
And when we consume more energy than we generate,
there are many more efficient engines already available
for converting energy,
you wouldn't want to keep a whole human organism
just to generate waste heat.
[Narrator] Okay so if the original Matrix premise
of humans as battery seems inefficient and unlikely,
then how would the simulation work?
So the way to picture that is that it's not
that there would be these kinds of organic brains
floating in tanks with some big fiber bundle plugged in
that feeds them with some kind of input
from some simulated virtual world,
but the brains themselves would be part of the simulation,
you would be conscious and in your brain
would in the simulation, would be simulated
at a sufficiently detailed level
that it would basically have
the same information processing structure.
As we previously thought
were implemented on biological neurons,
now all of those biological neurons are simulated, instead.
That information processing
could equally be implemented in silicon hardware.
This is kind of a premise of the simulation argument.
I call it substrate independence,
the idea that consciousness can be implemented,
not just on biological carbon-based substrate
but on other computational substrate as well.
[Narrator] In this scene,
viewers are introduced to a super intelligent AI program
that created the matrix.
Who are you?
I am the architect.
I created the matrix.
[Narrator] If we do live in a simulation,
who or what created our simulation?
If we are in a simulation,
then that simulation was created by
some form of super intelligence,
rather than by some human intelligence,
the technology to be able to create simulations
that are realistic and that have conscious creatures
like humans in them,
it's a very advanced kind of technology, right?
And the civilization that had developed
such advanced technology would I think
also have the technology to enhance their own intelligence
and to build very sophisticated forms
of artificial intelligence.
So by the time some civilization becomes capable
of creating these simulations,
they would have the ability to develop
greater forms of intelligence
and I think they would do so and in fact,
that's the likeliest way that they would gain the ability
to create these simulations.
So then the simulators would be super intelligent.
[Narrator] But why would a future civilization
create these worlds?
If we became capable of creating simulations,
we might create many different kinds of simulations.
We might create some simulations
that were simulations of our own past
that we tried to get as realistic as possible
based on our historical records, like historical tourism,
if you want to experience a bygone era
and you can't actually go back in time
because time machines are not possible.
And the second best might be to create
the kind of simulation of this historical epoch.
And you could learn, enter into that and experience it.
There could be many other reasons as well.
We might simulate potential alien civilizations
that we haven't encountered.
Maybe that would be very important for gaining information
about how alien civilizations
would behave in case we did run into them.
Think of all the reasons why humans have tried to create,
say fictional worlds, using whatever technologies we have,
even if it's just words on a page
that then leveraged the human imagination to conjure it up.
[Narrator] And like this scene from The Matrix
we have arrived at the moment of truth.
[Morpheus] You take the blue pill, the story ends.
You take the red pill, all I'm offering is the truth.
[Narrator] If we're all just software programs
running around in a simulated world,
why is it important to know the truth as Morpheus offers?
The world we perceive would still, in the relevant sense,
be real in at that it would, for example, matter a lot,
what happens in the simulation,
it would be a matter of great concern to us,
what experiences we will have in this simulated reality.
[Narrator] So if Morpheus offered the choice,
red pill or blue pill,
which one would Professor Bostrom choose?
Professor, red pill or blue pill?
As a philosopher, I guess you have already
chewed a little bit on the red pill, right?
Rather than the binary choice of maximal complete truth
versus staying in our current state of ignorance,
I am cautious by nature.
So if there were this third option,
I might be drawn towards that.
[Narrator] Okay, so a purple pill perhaps.
Even if we're not living in a simulation,
knowing what we know about the dangers of AI,
should we just give up on
developing machine super intelligence
before it turns against us,
like in The Matrix or Terminator
or 2001: A Space Odyssey or Westworld or Ex Machina?
I think it would be tragic
if we forever failed to do that.
I do think that transition however
will be associated with big risks,
including existential risks.
What we'll need to do is design AI systems
that are fundamentally on our side,
that share our values,
or that are aligned with human intentions.
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